1 00:00:07,820 --> 00:00:05,300 hello it's Wednesday May 31st 2017 you 2 00:00:10,820 --> 00:00:07,830 are listening to inception Radio Network 3 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:10,830 voice of the fringe majority this is 4 00:00:19,540 --> 00:00:15,690 Carol Carl with UFO headline news how 5 00:00:22,460 --> 00:00:19,550 far away is Deneb Deneb that star that 6 00:00:24,290 --> 00:00:22,470 amazing thing up there shining in the 7 00:00:27,109 --> 00:00:24,300 sky well we can see it tonight and 8 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:27,119 here's some more info from the folks at 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:30,150 earth sky org Deneb is part of that 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:33,090 beautiful summer triangle asterism and 11 00:00:37,190 --> 00:00:35,010 it's just about to come back into 12 00:00:40,549 --> 00:00:37,200 convenient evening view for another 13 00:00:43,729 --> 00:00:40,559 season now an asterism this broadcaster 14 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:43,739 learned is not a constellation it's just 15 00:00:48,830 --> 00:00:46,770 a recognizable group of stars this one 16 00:00:51,260 --> 00:00:48,840 is made of three bright stars in three 17 00:00:53,569 --> 00:00:51,270 different constellations there's the 18 00:00:56,540 --> 00:00:53,579 star Deneb one of the three summer 19 00:00:59,569 --> 00:00:56,550 triangle stars when you gaze at Deneb 20 00:01:02,510 --> 00:00:59,579 you're gazing across a great distance of 21 00:01:04,460 --> 00:01:02,520 space the exact distance to Deneb is not 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:04,470 known for certain but it's currently 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:06,810 accepted that that distance is around 24 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:09,450 two thousand light-years that makes 25 00:01:14,030 --> 00:01:11,610 Deneb one of the most distant stars we 26 00:01:15,770 --> 00:01:14,040 can see with the eye alone why don't 27 00:01:19,219 --> 00:01:15,780 destroy numbers know the distance to 28 00:01:21,679 --> 00:01:19,229 dinamics actly in fact there are varying 29 00:01:23,749 --> 00:01:21,689 estimates for the stars distance and the 30 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:23,759 answer to why they don't know is a 31 00:01:27,649 --> 00:01:26,100 glimpse into the process of science 32 00:01:29,450 --> 00:01:27,659 itself and the way the different 33 00:01:32,330 --> 00:01:29,460 astronomers or teams of astronomers 34 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:32,340 using advancing technologies try to 35 00:01:37,999 --> 00:01:34,530 improve on what was learned earlier 36 00:01:39,830 --> 00:01:38,009 sometimes years before it seems the 37 00:01:42,230 --> 00:01:39,840 estimates for Donets distance have been 38 00:01:44,300 --> 00:01:42,240 obtained by a variety of methods some of 39 00:01:47,149 --> 00:01:44,310 which involved theoretical models 40 00:01:49,340 --> 00:01:47,159 related to the way stars evolve and some 41 00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:49,350 of which assume Deneb membership in the 42 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:53,700 Cygnus 0 b7 Association of stars hmm 43 00:01:58,459 --> 00:01:55,860 wonder what those membership dues run 44 00:02:01,069 --> 00:01:58,469 the most important modern distant 45 00:02:03,410 --> 00:02:01,079 measurement for Deneb came in the 1990s 46 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:03,420 with the European Space Agency's Earth 47 00:02:08,869 --> 00:02:06,450 orbiting Hipparchus space astrometry 48 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:08,879 mission and will spell Hipparcos that's 49 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:13,890 H IPP AR cos Hipparcos gathered Astra 50 00:02:18,410 --> 00:02:16,320 trick data on Deneb early analyses of 51 00:02:19,790 --> 00:02:18,420 that data indicated a distance of 52 00:02:22,340 --> 00:02:19,800 somewhere around two thousand 53 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:22,350 light-years since then various groups of 54 00:02:27,350 --> 00:02:24,570 astronomers have reanalyzed that 55 00:02:28,970 --> 00:02:27,360 Hipparcos data considering that computer 56 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:28,980 power gets stronger with each passing 57 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:31,800 year that helps improve techniques for 58 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:35,610 these analyses so for example a 2009 59 00:02:40,250 --> 00:02:37,140 study published in the peer-reviewed 60 00:02:42,170 --> 00:02:40,260 journal astronomy and astrophysics used 61 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:42,180 a newer method of analysis which 62 00:02:47,090 --> 00:02:44,370 resulted in a distance for Deneb that's 63 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:47,100 barely half the widely accepted value 64 00:02:53,270 --> 00:02:50,730 why does de nebs distance matter it 65 00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:53,280 matters to astronomers because if they 66 00:02:58,010 --> 00:02:55,470 don't know exactly how far away a star 67 00:03:01,370 --> 00:02:58,020 is they can't get accurate numbers of 68 00:03:03,830 --> 00:03:01,380 its true size mass and energy output the 69 00:03:06,620 --> 00:03:03,840 European Space Agency now has a second 70 00:03:10,910 --> 00:03:06,630 astrometric satellite it's called Gaia 71 00:03:12,590 --> 00:03:10,920 GA IA she orbits around the earth her 72 00:03:15,110 --> 00:03:12,600 goal is to measure the positions and 73 00:03:17,690 --> 00:03:15,120 distances of stars with more precision 74 00:03:19,789 --> 00:03:17,700 than ever before and it's in the process 75 00:03:22,970 --> 00:03:19,799 of constructing what the European Space 76 00:03:26,690 --> 00:03:22,980 Agency says will be quote the largest 77 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:26,700 and most precise 3d space catalog ever 78 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:30,330 made and quotes a new estimate for de 79 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:32,489 nebs distance wasn't included in bias 80 00:03:38,390 --> 00:03:35,330 verse data released in September of 2016 81 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:38,400 may be a new distance estimate for Deneb 82 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:40,980 will be included in Gaia's second data 83 00:03:47,630 --> 00:03:43,860 release that's planned for April 2018 84 00:03:48,470 --> 00:03:47,640 and so science marches on here's the 85 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:48,480 bottom line 86 00:03:54,500 --> 00:03:52,110 Deneb is a large and very hot supergiant 87 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:54,510 star part of the famous summer triangle 88 00:03:59,539 --> 00:03:56,970 and one of the most distant stars you 89 00:04:01,970 --> 00:03:59,549 can see with your eye alone sweet and 90 00:04:04,340 --> 00:04:01,980 gentle listeners you can expect to find 91 00:04:07,250 --> 00:04:04,350 the usual charts and graphs accompanying 92 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:07,260 this article by heading on over to UFO 93 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:10,530 headline news comm speaking of things in 94 00:04:15,770 --> 00:04:12,930 sky and space here's a headline from 95 00:04:19,250 --> 00:04:15,780 Dave Mosier from the space division of 96 00:04:22,790 --> 00:04:19,260 Business Insider NASA has noticed a 97 00:04:26,469 --> 00:04:22,800 puzzling change in Saturn's hexagon that 98 00:04:27,710 --> 00:04:26,479 weather system the size of two earths a 99 00:04:30,410 --> 00:04:27,720 giant 100 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:30,420 hexagon is swirling at Saturn's North 101 00:04:34,970 --> 00:04:32,820 Pole and scientists don't fully 102 00:04:37,180 --> 00:04:34,980 understand it despite years of 103 00:04:41,180 --> 00:04:37,190 observation by NASA's Cassini spacecraft 104 00:04:43,940 --> 00:04:41,190 that hexagon a jet stream that traps an 105 00:04:47,660 --> 00:04:43,950 entire polar weather system is as wide 106 00:04:50,660 --> 00:04:47,670 as two planet Earth's it's so big in 107 00:04:53,630 --> 00:04:50,670 fact that small vortices inside of it 108 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:53,640 are often twice as wide as the largest 109 00:04:59,390 --> 00:04:56,940 hurricanes on planet Earth and this week 110 00:05:03,830 --> 00:04:59,400 NASA released new images and animations 111 00:05:06,860 --> 00:05:03,840 of the hexagon the photos show the giant 112 00:05:09,530 --> 00:05:06,870 weather system changed from turquoise to 113 00:05:12,260 --> 00:05:09,540 a ruddy yellow in just a few years time 114 00:05:14,930 --> 00:05:12,270 although the 1,800 mile wide central 115 00:05:17,930 --> 00:05:14,940 vortex about the length of the entire 116 00:05:20,750 --> 00:05:17,940 united states east coast has kept a rich 117 00:05:23,270 --> 00:05:20,760 blue color there's animation you can 118 00:05:26,150 --> 00:05:23,280 find later at UFO headline news comm 119 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:26,160 check it out the change in color is 120 00:05:30,860 --> 00:05:28,740 dramatic and while NASA isn't sure why 121 00:05:33,230 --> 00:05:30,870 it happened researchers think the shift 122 00:05:36,290 --> 00:05:33,240 has to do with the gas giants changing 123 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:36,300 seasons Saturn reached its northern 124 00:05:41,450 --> 00:05:38,880 solstice or its longest day of the 125 00:05:41,870 --> 00:05:41,460 planet's summer season May 24th this 126 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:41,880 year 127 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:44,400 shortly after Cassini snapped the set of 128 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:46,620 photos that you can see later the shift 129 00:05:51,170 --> 00:05:49,290 has gradually increased the amount of 130 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:51,180 ultraviolet light reaching the planets 131 00:05:56,630 --> 00:05:53,430 North Pole that's where the hexagon is 132 00:06:00,710 --> 00:05:56,640 located and this has created hazy yellow 133 00:06:02,570 --> 00:06:00,720 smog by that logic the vortex might 134 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:02,580 still be blue because the sunlight 135 00:06:07,850 --> 00:06:05,490 touches that area last it might also 136 00:06:10,490 --> 00:06:07,860 have kept its color if like hurricanes 137 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:10,500 on earth it constantly Yanks air 138 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:13,680 downward thus pushing any smog deep 139 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:16,590 below the cloud tops while Cassini has 140 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:18,570 been studying Saturn for about 13 years 141 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:21,210 the planets full orbit around the Sun 142 00:06:27,190 --> 00:06:25,110 takes 29.5 years so the probe still 143 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:27,200 hasn't observed all of Saturn's seasons 144 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:30,330 space scientists followed clouds in the 145 00:06:35,150 --> 00:06:32,970 giant storm they calculated wind speeds 146 00:06:39,110 --> 00:06:35,160 and found that the innermost rings of 147 00:06:40,070 --> 00:06:39,120 the storm blow at a shocking 340 miles 148 00:06:41,659 --> 00:06:40,080 per hour 149 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:41,669 by contrast 150 00:06:46,999 --> 00:06:45,300 winds inside hurricane Allen in 1980 the 151 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:47,009 strongest ever recorded on earth 152 00:06:52,390 --> 00:06:50,969 well those winds topped out at 190 miles 153 00:06:54,529 --> 00:06:52,400 per hour 154 00:06:57,050 --> 00:06:54,539 unfortunately earth won't be able to 155 00:06:59,749 --> 00:06:57,060 enjoy any of these views for much longer 156 00:07:02,420 --> 00:06:59,759 the Cassini spacecraft is running low on 157 00:07:04,939 --> 00:07:02,430 propellant and NASA doesn't wanted to 158 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:04,949 accidentally crash into one of Saturn's 159 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:07,409 icy moons that could cause contamination 160 00:07:14,089 --> 00:07:10,800 to the vast subsurface oceans that at 161 00:07:19,309 --> 00:07:14,099 least two of those moons contain so on 162 00:07:21,619 --> 00:07:19,319 September 15 2017 the 3.26 billion 163 00:07:25,309 --> 00:07:21,629 dollar mission will take a plunge into 164 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:25,319 Saturn break apart and become one with a 165 00:07:30,140 --> 00:07:29,490 giant ball of hydrogen and helium almost 166 00:07:33,019 --> 00:07:30,150 poetic 167 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:33,029 Cassini's final moments in a great blaze 168 00:07:39,559 --> 00:07:36,810 of glory and here at inception radio 169 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:39,569 network UFO headline news we will do our 170 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:41,849 best to keep you posted on all the 171 00:07:47,149 --> 00:07:45,210 events in the run-up to that moment we 172 00:07:49,610 --> 00:07:47,159 are doing some run-up to the moment of 173 00:07:53,179 --> 00:07:49,620 way back Wednesday part 2 Close 174 00:07:56,209 --> 00:07:53,189 Encounters of the Manitoba kind but 175 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:56,219 first there's other news this 176 00:08:01,579 --> 00:07:58,770 broadcaster is very well aware of the 177 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:01,589 ancient longtime admonition that the 178 00:08:06,860 --> 00:08:04,289 reporter shall we say should not become 179 00:08:10,850 --> 00:08:06,870 part of the story but in this case it's 180 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:10,860 hard not to and we are compelled so it 181 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:13,680 goes something like this last Saturday 182 00:08:18,980 --> 00:08:15,839 night this broadcaster as is her habit 183 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:18,990 was listening to inception radio network 184 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:21,930 to Allen B Smith's rather new show 185 00:08:27,260 --> 00:08:24,960 called paranormal now it's extraordinary 186 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:27,270 if you haven't heard it you should its 187 00:08:32,269 --> 00:08:29,490 Saturday nights at inception radio 188 00:08:35,750 --> 00:08:32,279 network and last Saturday night 189 00:08:38,029 --> 00:08:35,760 Allen B Smith's guest for paranormal now 190 00:08:40,759 --> 00:08:38,039 well he had two guests his first guest 191 00:08:43,670 --> 00:08:40,769 was none other than Peter Robbins the 192 00:08:44,569 --> 00:08:43,680 author of among many books left at 193 00:08:46,850 --> 00:08:44,579 Eastgate 194 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:46,860 which is a chronicle of the Rendlesham 195 00:08:53,210 --> 00:08:50,010 forest Bentwaters affair co-written with 196 00:08:55,820 --> 00:08:53,220 Larry Warren remember that name it is 197 00:08:57,890 --> 00:08:55,830 pivotal as we listened 198 00:08:59,810 --> 00:08:57,900 to this we realized oh there's breaking 199 00:09:03,440 --> 00:08:59,820 news here there's going to be a big 200 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:03,450 reveal what ever could it be if we 201 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:06,510 stayed tuned and we found out and as we 202 00:09:12,650 --> 00:09:09,420 listened we thought oh this is going to 203 00:09:16,670 --> 00:09:12,660 trigger a lot of fallout stay tuned and 204 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:16,680 we did so here is that fallout it comes 205 00:09:21,410 --> 00:09:18,570 by way of an article posted in the 206 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:21,420 mirror dot-com dot uk' 207 00:09:27,590 --> 00:09:25,410 a UFO expert has become embroiled in a 208 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:27,600 bitter feud with his co-author and 209 00:09:33,470 --> 00:09:30,330 one-time friend after accusing him of 210 00:09:36,590 --> 00:09:33,480 quote deceiving and quotes him with his 211 00:09:39,250 --> 00:09:36,600 quote false end quotes account of the 212 00:09:41,570 --> 00:09:39,260 infamous Rendlesham forest incident 213 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:41,580 peter robbins and larry warren 214 00:09:46,100 --> 00:09:43,920 co-authored left at Eastgate a 215 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:46,110 first-hand account of the bent water 216 00:09:51,530 --> 00:09:49,370 Woodbridge UFO incident its coverup and 217 00:09:54,380 --> 00:09:51,540 investigation that's the whole title 218 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:54,390 thirty years ago but they're now at 219 00:09:59,750 --> 00:09:57,450 loggerheads United States researcher 220 00:10:02,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Peter Robbins sparked the row when he 221 00:10:03,830 --> 00:10:02,250 accused Warren a former member of the 222 00:10:06,980 --> 00:10:03,840 United States Air Force security police 223 00:10:09,470 --> 00:10:06,990 who now lives in Liverpool of deceiving 224 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:09,480 him this accusation was made during a 225 00:10:15,050 --> 00:10:11,090 radio interview 226 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:15,060 Larry Warren in turn blasted Nick Pope 227 00:10:19,850 --> 00:10:17,250 former head of the British government's 228 00:10:22,910 --> 00:10:19,860 UFO desk for siding with Peter Robbins 229 00:10:26,210 --> 00:10:22,920 he hit back Nick Pope on Facebook for 230 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:26,220 branding him a liar yes Larry warns 231 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:28,890 online rant is still available for your 232 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:32,070 perusal American Larry Warren claims he 233 00:10:37,100 --> 00:10:34,770 witnessed a UFO land near RAF Bentwaters 234 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:37,110 Suffolk while stationed there with the 235 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:39,270 United States Air Force in December of 236 00:10:44,990 --> 00:10:42,390 1980 here's a quote from Peter Robbins 237 00:10:47,540 --> 00:10:45,000 the encompass picture is the subjective 238 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:47,550 account of my co-author Larry Warren's 239 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:49,860 story of the events that he was involved 240 00:10:54,860 --> 00:10:52,620 in the events surrounding him things 241 00:10:58,010 --> 00:10:54,870 that don't directly relate to the story 242 00:11:00,400 --> 00:10:58,020 but to his life were not only not 243 00:11:02,420 --> 00:11:00,410 accurate but that they were not true 244 00:11:04,910 --> 00:11:02,430 having worked with him for decades 245 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:04,920 having spent several intense years at 246 00:11:09,650 --> 00:11:07,170 the beginning we're talking 30 years ago 247 00:11:12,170 --> 00:11:09,660 next month when we first shook hands 248 00:11:14,690 --> 00:11:12,180 that I would assist him in writing this 249 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:14,700 book I have a long history with Larry 250 00:11:19,130 --> 00:11:16,650 Warren and I felt that after doing the 251 00:11:22,220 --> 00:11:19,140 research that he was absolutely good on 252 00:11:24,140 --> 00:11:22,230 his word end quotes in fact this 253 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:24,150 broadcaster had a very cogent part of 254 00:11:28,790 --> 00:11:26,000 that conversation on the air during 255 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:28,800 paranormal now it went something like 256 00:11:34,190 --> 00:11:31,410 without any apparent provocation Larry 257 00:11:36,470 --> 00:11:34,200 Warren offered this to Peter Robbins if 258 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:36,480 you find something in my work in my 259 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:38,310 accounts that you want to challenge 260 00:11:43,220 --> 00:11:41,670 bring it and we'll talk about it well 261 00:11:46,460 --> 00:11:43,230 apparently it didn't quite work out like 262 00:11:48,070 --> 00:11:46,470 that back to the article Nick Pope who 263 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:48,080 ran the Ministry of Defense's 264 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:51,450 Secretariat or Air Staff to a that was 265 00:11:55,970 --> 00:11:53,970 dubbed the UFO desk they investigated 266 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:55,980 military sightings they were closed in 267 00:12:02,510 --> 00:11:59,250 2009 budget reasons and Nick Pope is 268 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:02,520 backing peter robbins claims in a post 269 00:12:11,090 --> 00:12:08,220 to his 4980 friends and his 13850 to 270 00:12:13,250 --> 00:12:11,100 followers on Facebook Nick Pope praised 271 00:12:15,230 --> 00:12:13,260 Robbins for quote having the courage and 272 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:15,240 integrity to make what was clearly a 273 00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:17,490 difficult and painful admission that 274 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:20,040 he'd been taken in by Larry Warren's 275 00:12:25,850 --> 00:12:23,370 lies and quotes Nick Pope ended his post 276 00:12:29,210 --> 00:12:25,860 by saying quote the verdict from the 277 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:29,220 wider UFO community is clear the Larry 278 00:12:35,060 --> 00:12:32,040 Warren story is officially dead end 279 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:35,070 quotes then Larry Warren of course 280 00:12:39,710 --> 00:12:37,290 slammed the ex ministry of defense man 281 00:12:42,500 --> 00:12:39,720 who now lives in Tucson Arizona for 282 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:42,510 quote whoring himself out that was a 283 00:12:47,660 --> 00:12:45,810 20-minute Facebook rant during part of 284 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:47,670 which Warren challenged Nick Pope to 285 00:12:52,220 --> 00:12:50,370 take it on saying quote you can have it 286 00:12:54,380 --> 00:12:52,230 if you can take it from me I'll even 287 00:12:57,410 --> 00:12:54,390 bring the gift box you seem to want it 288 00:13:00,200 --> 00:12:57,420 because I don't deserve it then Larry 289 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:00,210 Warren continues you stuck your nose 290 00:13:04,010 --> 00:13:02,130 into Rendell some years ago to the point 291 00:13:06,710 --> 00:13:04,020 some morons out there think you were 292 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:06,720 working the mo D desk when it happened I 293 00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:08,880 think you were being beat up on the 294 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:10,830 schoolyard at that time so that's 295 00:13:16,550 --> 00:13:13,250 impossible but you don't stop that myth 296 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:16,560 he ends his video by saying the book is 297 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:17,370 my story 298 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:20,010 100% I've done stuff that you could 299 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:22,050 never do and same things you'll never 300 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:23,260 see and I'll still 301 00:13:27,750 --> 00:13:24,970 be standing tall when you go 302 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:27,760 cockadoodledoo you were never in the 303 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:30,370 military you are a tie somewhere end 304 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:33,850 quotes the rant goes on yep it's ugly 305 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:37,660 but not unexpectedly so if you want to 306 00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:38,770 check out the rest of this article 307 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:40,720 gentle listeners you can find links 308 00:13:46,410 --> 00:13:44,110 later at UFO headline news oh the second 309 00:13:48,690 --> 00:13:46,420 guest that night on Allen B Smith's 310 00:13:51,510 --> 00:13:48,700 paranormal show on inception radio 311 00:13:54,330 --> 00:13:51,520 network was none other than the founder 312 00:13:57,510 --> 00:13:54,340 and president of epic voyages can cherry 313 00:14:00,270 --> 00:13:57,520 an author on his own if you haven't read 314 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:00,280 mark Slade investigates the Stephenville 315 00:14:06,150 --> 00:14:03,100 lights Oh get your hands on a copy can 316 00:14:08,250 --> 00:14:06,160 cherry wrote a good read well what do 317 00:14:10,650 --> 00:14:08,260 you know it's way back Wednesday plenty 318 00:14:13,740 --> 00:14:10,660 of space available on that shuttle that 319 00:14:16,410 --> 00:14:13,750 takes us way back and from the Winnipeg 320 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:16,420 Free Press let's continue its close 321 00:14:23,460 --> 00:14:19,510 encounter of the Manitoba kind part two 322 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:23,470 in part one we introduced you to Stefan 323 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:25,810 Michalak he was out looking for signs of 324 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:27,850 gold and silver in the rocks that 325 00:14:32,490 --> 00:14:30,550 embedded in the Precambrian shield in a 326 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:32,500 place called white shell Provincial Park 327 00:14:37,380 --> 00:14:34,810 in Manitoba in Canada 328 00:14:40,350 --> 00:14:37,390 shortly after he'd eaten his lunch at 329 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:40,360 the site Stefan Michalak saw what he 330 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:42,850 just didn't expect at all it was a craft 331 00:14:48,540 --> 00:14:45,280 he heard what seemed to be human voices 332 00:14:50,910 --> 00:14:48,550 one higher pitch one lower Stefan 333 00:14:53,850 --> 00:14:50,920 McCulloch was definitely an adventurous 334 00:14:56,940 --> 00:14:53,860 soul he actually stuck his head into the 335 00:15:00,570 --> 00:14:56,950 opening of this saucer-shaped craft saw 336 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:00,580 a maze of lights and at one point a jet 337 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:03,760 of something hot shot from the craft and 338 00:15:09,930 --> 00:15:07,120 burned Stefan Michalak on his chest very 339 00:15:12,390 --> 00:15:09,940 curious burn marks dime sized in a grid 340 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:12,400 pattern they were severe they were 341 00:15:18,450 --> 00:15:14,320 almost what would appear to be burns of 342 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:18,460 a radioactive kind fast forward from May 343 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:22,930 20th 1967 at about 12:15 p.m. the time 344 00:15:27,780 --> 00:15:26,050 of the initial event this broke big it 345 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:27,790 caught the attention of media and 346 00:15:32,580 --> 00:15:30,730 population alike and as it was said 347 00:15:36,210 --> 00:15:32,590 quote it really became part of the 348 00:15:37,110 --> 00:15:36,220 history of the community and quotes so 349 00:15:39,060 --> 00:15:37,120 now 350 00:15:43,890 --> 00:15:39,070 here's where we left off last Wednesday 351 00:15:46,140 --> 00:15:43,900 On June 29 1967 a rookie Manitoba MP 352 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:46,150 stood up in the House of Commons and 353 00:15:52,890 --> 00:15:49,570 asked a question about UFO invasions and 354 00:15:55,050 --> 00:15:52,900 the Michalek case quote I had felt 355 00:15:57,450 --> 00:15:55,060 obliged to ask a question it had 356 00:15:59,850 --> 00:15:57,460 happened in my writing and quote said 357 00:16:01,980 --> 00:15:59,860 former Governor General and premier EDI 358 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:01,990 ER he was that an NDP Member of 359 00:16:08,220 --> 00:16:05,350 Parliament quote plus I was intrigued 360 00:16:09,950 --> 00:16:08,230 that someone seemingly so genuine was 361 00:16:13,140 --> 00:16:09,960 convinced he had seen something in 362 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:13,150 explicable so I asked the question and 363 00:16:18,329 --> 00:16:15,610 the question was taken not by one of the 364 00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:18,339 ministers but by the Prime Minister 365 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:22,240 himself and what did Lester Pearson do 366 00:16:28,829 --> 00:16:26,529 he took it as notice and quotes a few 367 00:16:31,170 --> 00:16:28,839 days later Lester Pearson the Prime 368 00:16:32,670 --> 00:16:31,180 Minister himself offered McCulloch a 369 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:32,680 chance to look through the government's 370 00:16:39,420 --> 00:16:36,630 file on the matter but Schreyer refused 371 00:16:41,340 --> 00:16:39,430 he said quote I didn't take it because 372 00:16:43,980 --> 00:16:41,350 it required an understanding that you 373 00:16:45,660 --> 00:16:43,990 had to keep the contents confidential I 374 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:45,670 thought that would put me in a 375 00:16:50,130 --> 00:16:48,010 problematic position I just wanted to 376 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:50,140 make sure there was no danger to the 377 00:16:54,930 --> 00:16:52,540 individual to his family and to the 378 00:16:57,540 --> 00:16:54,940 country I was reassured there was no 379 00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:57,550 significant danger and it was left 380 00:17:03,660 --> 00:17:00,880 somewhat as an open question and quote a 381 00:17:06,809 --> 00:17:03,670 few months later Defence Minister Lee 382 00:17:08,819 --> 00:17:06,819 Okubo was quoted in Hansard as saying 383 00:17:10,590 --> 00:17:08,829 quote it is not the intention of the 384 00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,600 Department of National Defense to make 385 00:17:15,390 --> 00:17:12,400 public the report of the alleged 386 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:15,400 sighting end quote and although defense 387 00:17:19,650 --> 00:17:17,170 minister Leo Cadieux had never met 388 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:19,660 Stephin McCulloch in person speaking to 389 00:17:23,850 --> 00:17:22,089 him at the time on the phone he said he 390 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:23,860 hopes to visit the site this summer and 391 00:17:28,950 --> 00:17:26,170 with his grandchildren now that he knows 392 00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:28,960 they can get there on horseback having 393 00:17:33,299 --> 00:17:30,880 made a point of trying to find out more 394 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:33,309 information at the time Schrier wants to 395 00:17:39,419 --> 00:17:36,690 see this site with his own eyes now 396 00:17:41,910 --> 00:17:39,429 standing on the Flat Rock that his 397 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:41,920 father described as the one the UFO 398 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:45,130 landed on son Stan McCulloch was 399 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:47,170 surprised at how accurate his father's 400 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:50,080 hand-drawn map drawn from memory in the 401 00:17:53,169 --> 00:17:50,450 days 402 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:53,179 after the incident really was while he 403 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:55,370 expected to see the flat rock he didn't 404 00:18:00,700 --> 00:17:58,010 know it was slightly sloped quote it 405 00:18:02,409 --> 00:18:00,710 still baffles me the slant we're on but 406 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:02,419 then I remember how he described the 407 00:18:07,269 --> 00:18:05,450 object quote and he continued quote now 408 00:18:10,269 --> 00:18:07,279 I know it probably tilted because it was 409 00:18:13,330 --> 00:18:10,279 coming up from a slope and again Stan 410 00:18:15,820 --> 00:18:13,340 wondered what the hell was he doing here 411 00:18:18,129 --> 00:18:15,830 he continued quote there's nothing for 412 00:18:20,860 --> 00:18:18,139 him here the geology steaks and the 413 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:20,870 looking for precious minerals I sure as 414 00:18:26,049 --> 00:18:22,130 hell wouldn't want to spend time here 415 00:18:28,659 --> 00:18:26,059 but he was here I know that now end 416 00:18:30,159 --> 00:18:28,669 quotes and he has a theory about why his 417 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:30,169 dad and many others around the world 418 00:18:37,090 --> 00:18:33,710 have reported so many UFOs in the post 419 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:37,100 Second World War years quote when we 420 00:18:40,419 --> 00:18:38,690 blew up the first nuclear bomb and we 421 00:18:42,940 --> 00:18:40,429 sent our first radio signals we got 422 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,950 attention maybe it was quote what are 423 00:18:46,690 --> 00:18:44,720 they doing on that planet oh they're 424 00:18:49,299 --> 00:18:46,700 killing each other let's check back in a 425 00:18:52,330 --> 00:18:49,309 few hundred years and quotes when 426 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:52,340 Stephan Steven Steve Michalek died on 427 00:18:58,779 --> 00:18:56,330 October 28th 1999 at the age of 83 there 428 00:19:01,240 --> 00:18:58,789 was no mention in his obituary of the 429 00:19:03,610 --> 00:19:01,250 Falcon Lake incident only how he is 430 00:19:05,980 --> 00:19:03,620 quote passion for this vast new country 431 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:05,990 developed into a love of nature open 432 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:08,720 spaces animals and birds and a 433 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:10,850 celebration of what Canada's unending 434 00:19:16,090 --> 00:19:13,370 wilderness had to offer and quote and 435 00:19:18,460 --> 00:19:16,100 that quote geology became one of his 436 00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:18,470 hobbies and the reason for many trips to 437 00:19:24,850 --> 00:19:20,630 the wilderness to see the world in a 438 00:19:27,879 --> 00:19:24,860 grain of sand and quotes cryptic but it 439 00:19:30,009 --> 00:19:27,889 is in there between the lines for a man 440 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:30,019 whose hobby of prospecting had given him 441 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:32,809 such joy the Falcon Lake incident also 442 00:19:37,899 --> 00:19:35,210 seemed to mark the end of his amateur 443 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:37,909 prospecting careers at his son quote 444 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:40,250 when he died we found several wooden 445 00:19:44,919 --> 00:19:43,010 boxes of rocks in the basement I only 446 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:44,929 kept one or two samples the rest went 447 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:48,130 into the garden there are about 1,200 448 00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,049 reported UFO sightings every year across 449 00:19:57,070 --> 00:19:53,600 Canada about three to five percent can't 450 00:19:59,710 --> 00:19:57,080 be explained away expert UFO researcher 451 00:20:02,200 --> 00:19:59,720 and author Chris root Kowski yep there's 452 00:20:04,060 --> 00:20:02,210 a book said he not only has copies of 453 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:04,070 the hundreds of documents per 454 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:06,230 by the authorities he also has in his 455 00:20:11,980 --> 00:20:09,170 possession a piece of that melted 456 00:20:15,420 --> 00:20:11,990 radioactive metal that Stefan Michalak 457 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:15,430 found at the site on that amazing day 458 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:18,770 quote he says if I'd made it up I would 459 00:20:24,460 --> 00:20:21,650 have gone to town with details but he 460 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:24,470 only said what he saw he didn't care if 461 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:27,050 anyone believed him or not as far as 462 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:29,570 what Stefan McCulloch encountered I have 463 00:20:35,770 --> 00:20:33,050 no idea but it's a riveting story closes 464 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:35,780 root Kowski end quotes five decades on 465 00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:38,510 whatever happened at Falcon Lake is 466 00:20:44,110 --> 00:20:40,870 still of interest to UFO enthusiasts and 467 00:20:46,360 --> 00:20:44,120 regular folks to local resident Bob 468 00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:46,370 Firth has no doubt that McCulloch saw 469 00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:48,980 what he reported that day Firth works at 470 00:20:53,230 --> 00:20:51,350 the Falcon Lake Golf Course and he says 471 00:20:56,740 --> 00:20:53,240 he may have seen one of those two 472 00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:56,750 objects quote I was 14 at the time it is 473 00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,600 such a weird story and quotes Bob Firth 474 00:21:03,250 --> 00:21:01,280 said he and three friends were at the 475 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:03,260 beach on the south side of Falcon Lake 476 00:21:07,810 --> 00:21:05,450 when they saw something on the other 477 00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:07,820 side north of the lake that something 478 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:10,430 was moving westward quote it was little 479 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:12,410 if you hold your thumb up it would be 480 00:21:18,490 --> 00:21:15,050 that big the thing just jumped across 481 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:18,500 the sky we said what is that and I said 482 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:21,230 it's a bird it's a plane it's a flying 483 00:21:25,150 --> 00:21:23,570 saucer and then I didn't think anything 484 00:21:27,490 --> 00:21:25,160 more about it end quote 485 00:21:29,530 --> 00:21:27,500 but later that weekend Bob Firth and his 486 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:29,540 family were in Winnipeg to see the 487 00:21:34,210 --> 00:21:32,210 Victoria Day fireworks someone ran up to 488 00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:34,220 them and started talking about the 489 00:21:38,620 --> 00:21:36,860 Falcon Lake sighting that's when Bob 490 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:38,630 Firth realized he might have seen the 491 00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:41,690 same thing but I was later interviewed 492 00:21:46,170 --> 00:21:43,340 by someone from the University of 493 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:46,180 Manitoba in my mind I can still see it 494 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:48,350 something crossed the sky and 495 00:21:54,370 --> 00:21:51,770 disappeared and quotes exciting times 496 00:21:56,530 --> 00:21:54,380 barb Hamilton didn't see the UFO 497 00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,540 but that didn't stop her and other local 498 00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:58,400 kids from getting caught up and all the 499 00:22:01,720 --> 00:21:59,090 excitement 500 00:22:02,860 --> 00:22:01,730 she says quote I was 12 at the time and 501 00:22:05,550 --> 00:22:02,870 four young kids 502 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:05,560 after what happened it started everybody 503 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:08,150 wondering we kids got together and 504 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:10,790 formed a little Club for UFOs and quotes 505 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:13,310 and they thought they were hot on the 506 00:22:17,769 --> 00:22:15,770 trail when one of them heard a beeping 507 00:22:19,989 --> 00:22:17,779 sound from the forest while 508 00:22:22,389 --> 00:22:19,999 we were all convinced this was something 509 00:22:23,739 --> 00:22:22,399 we called all the kids together and went 510 00:22:26,889 --> 00:22:23,749 off in that direction 511 00:22:29,409 --> 00:22:26,899 in the direction of the beeping sound we 512 00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:29,419 couldn't find it but it came flying back 513 00:22:35,409 --> 00:22:33,590 and just screamed Hamilton said her dad 514 00:22:37,899 --> 00:22:35,419 suggested they speak with a wildlife 515 00:22:40,029 --> 00:22:37,909 expert and after they did and she heard 516 00:22:42,820 --> 00:22:40,039 the sound of the saw wet cowl 517 00:22:44,619 --> 00:22:42,830 well vote it's mating call sounds like a 518 00:22:47,259 --> 00:22:44,629 machine and quote she said but quickly 519 00:22:50,049 --> 00:22:47,269 added she does not doubt Stefan Michalak 520 00:22:52,089 --> 00:22:50,059 story she said quote I don't think 521 00:22:54,779 --> 00:22:52,099 Stefan was making it up I think he saw 522 00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:54,789 something I can't explain end quotes 523 00:23:00,009 --> 00:22:57,919 falcon beach ranch owner devin emery 524 00:23:02,139 --> 00:23:00,019 offers trail rides to the site for 525 00:23:05,769 --> 00:23:02,149 people who make reservations in advance 526 00:23:07,570 --> 00:23:05,779 oh is that not cool and recently the 527 00:23:10,089 --> 00:23:07,580 ranch hosted a 50th anniversary 528 00:23:14,739 --> 00:23:10,099 commemorative event with escorted trail 529 00:23:17,579 --> 00:23:14,749 rides to the site may 20th 1967 Canada's 530 00:23:19,989 --> 00:23:17,589 Roswell a close encounter of the 531 00:23:22,060 --> 00:23:19,999 Manitoba kind we hope you've enjoyed 532 00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,070 that there's lots more out there 533 00:23:27,549 --> 00:23:24,559 concerning this event lots of minutiae I 534 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:27,559 and extremely interesting details but 535 00:23:31,719 --> 00:23:29,450 now we hear horses approaching in the 536 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:31,729 distance it's time for us to mount and 537 00:23:37,509 --> 00:23:35,210 hit the trail because that's a wrap 538 00:23:39,609 --> 00:23:37,519 thank you for listening to inception 539 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:39,619 radio network follow today's broadcast 540 00:23:45,969 --> 00:23:43,519 at UFO headline news dot-com take care